1. e4, d5

[risikopedia]

P.S. Comunque la variante portoghese non rientra necessariamente nella variante classica. Ci sono continuazioni in cui la Donna nera non va in a5 e non cattura il pedone in d5.

Una e' quella di Shirov che hai ricordato anche tu.

http://www.365chess.com/search_resul...bmit_search=1#

Bologan, Viktor-Shirov, Alexei ½-½
B01 Porzellan Cup

1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Nf6 3. d4 Bg4 4. f3 Bf5 5. c4 e6 6. dxe6 Nc6 7. Ne2 fxe6 8. a3 Qd7 9. Be3 O-O-O 10. Nbc3 g5 11. Qa4 Qg7 12. O-O-O Nd7 13. b4 Nb6 14. Qb3 Be7 15. d5 exd5 16. cxd5 Qe5 17. Bf2 Bf6 18. dxc6 Be6 19. cxb7+ Kxb7 20. Qc2 Bf5 21. Qb3 Be6 22. Qb1 Rxd1+ 23. Nxd1 Bf5 24. Qb2 Qd6 25. Bd4 Rd8 26. Ne3 Bxd4 27. Qxd4 Qe6 28. Qxd8 Qxe3+ 29. Qd2 Qxa3+ 30. Kd1 Bd3 31. Nc1 Nc4 32. Qxd3 Nb2+ 33. Kc2 Nxd3 34. Bxd3 Qxb4 35. Bxh7 Qc5+ 36. Kd1 Qf2 37. Be4+ Kc8 38. g4 a5 39. Re1 Qxh2 40. Re2 Qg1+ 41. Kc2 a4 42. Kb1 Qb6+ 43. Rb2 Qd4 44. Ne2 Qc4 45. Nc1 c5 46. Nd3 a3 47. Rb6 a2+ 48. Ka1 Qc2 49. Rb2 Qd1+ 50. Kxa2 c4 51. Nb4 Qa4+ 52. Kb1 Qd1+ 1/2-1/2

aldilà della teoria
vonnegut sono strasicuro che è un fenomeno ma te ?
come ta la cavi in game a tempo 10/15 minuti ?
sei abbordabile come player o bisogna avere una solida base per poter competere ?

[paperinikredstar]

aldilà della teoria
vonnegut sono strasicuro che è un fenomeno ma te ?
come ta la cavi in game a tempo 10/15 minuti ?
sei abbordabile come player o bisogna avere una solida base per poter competere ?

Si, puoi vincere penso.

[vonnegut]

Una e' quella di Shirov che hai ricordato anche tu.

Bologan, Viktor-Shirov, Alexei ½-½
B01 Porzellan Cup

1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Nf6 3. d4 Bg4 4. f3 Bf5 5. c4 e6 6. dxe6 Nc6 7. Ne2 fxe6 8. a3 Qd7 9. Be3 O-O-O 10. Nbc3 g5 11. Qa4 Qg7 12. O-O-O Nd7 13. b4 Nb6 14. Qb3 Be7 15. d5 exd5 16. cxd5 Qe5 17. Bf2 Bf6 18. dxc6 Be6 19. cxb7+ Kxb7 20. Qc2 Bf5 21. Qb3 Be6 22. Qb1 Rxd1+ 23. Nxd1 Bf5 24. Qb2 Qd6 25. Bd4 Rd8 26. Ne3 Bxd4 27. Qxd4 Qe6 28. Qxd8 Qxe3+ 29. Qd2 Qxa3+ 30. Kd1 Bd3 31. Nc1 Nc4 32. Qxd3 Nb2+ 33. Kc2 Nxd3 34. Bxd3 Qxb4 35. Bxh7 Qc5+ 36. Kd1 Qf2 37. Be4+ Kc8 38. g4 a5 39. Re1 Qxh2 40. Re2 Qg1+ 41. Kc2 a4 42. Kb1 Qb6+ 43. Rb2 Qd4 44. Ne2 Qc4 45. Nc1 c5 46. Nd3 a3 47. Rb6 a2+ 48. Ka1 Qc2 49. Rb2 Qd1+ 50. Kxa2 c4 51. Nb4 Qa4+ 52. Kb1 Qd1+ 1/2-1/2

Non mi riferivo a quella partita. Con tutto il rispetto per Bologan (che è un fortissimo GM), il torneo Porzellan Cup del 1997 era a cadenza rapid. Come ho già detto, queste linee di solito le impiegano nei tornei rapid per sorprendere l'avversario e fargli spendere tempo...quindi non mi sorprende che Shirov l'abbia impiegata in quel contesto.
Invece mi sorprende che l'abbia usata contro Peter Svidler nel supertorneo di Tilburg del 1996. Ecco la partita commentata da Shirov (obiettivamente Svidler ha giocato male).

Svidler,P (2650) - Shirov,A (2685) [B01]
Tilburg Fontys Tilburg (6), 1996
[Shirov]
1.e4 d5 2.exd5 Nf6 3.d4 Bg4!? A very provocative opening which probably has every reason to be called 'Portuguese variation' because a large percentage of the games on it found in the database have been played by Portuguese players. I was suggested this setup by Kevin Spraggett who has lived in Portugal for many years and has picked up many ideas of his local colleagues. He has employed it as well. 4.Be2 One of the funniest variations I've ever seen is [4.f3 Bf5 5.c4 e6 6.dxe6 Nc6! which has occured in several games. Other critical moves are; 4.Bb5+ and; 4.Nf3 .] 4...Bxe2 5.Qxe2 Qxd5 6.Nf3 Nc6 7.Nc3 A new move. 'Theory' (in fact the whole system is still completely desert) is [7.c4] 7...Qh5 8.Bg5?! During the game I couldn't understand whether this was a blunder or a sacrifise. Normally in such a case it depends on the final result. Yet White gets some initiative for a pawn but it seems not at all sufficient.Instead White had an interesting opportunity [8.Qb5!? which I was slightly afraid of. After 8...0–0–0 (8...Qxb5 9.Nxb5 0–0–0 10.Ng5! a6 11.Nxf7 axb5 12.Nxh8 Nxd4 13.0–0 Nxc2 14.Rb1±) 9.Qxh5 Nxh5 10.Ng5 Nxd4 11.0–0 Nxc2 12.Rb1 White seems to have a good compensation for sacrifised pawns.And, of course, he could have chosen simple development like; 8.Be3 or; 8.Bf4 with equal game.] 8...Nxd4 9.Nxd4 Qxg5 10.h4! This I to be honest overlooked counting only on [10.Ncb5 Qc5 11.0–0–0 a6 which is very sad story for White.] 10...Qh5! Gaining an important tempo. 11.f3 [11.Qxh5 Nxh5 12.Ncb5 Rc8! is winning for Black due to 13.Nxa7?! Rd8! 14.Nb3 c6–+] 11...0–0–0 12.0–0–0 e6 13.g4 Qa5! I think this is more precise than [13...Qc5?! 14.Nb3 Qb6 15.Rxd8+ Kxd8 16.Rd1+ Bd6 17.g5 Nd7 18.Ne4³] 14.Nb3 Going for an inferior ending. I was more concerned about [14.g5 and actually my intention 14...Nd7! (14...Nd5?! proves to be incorrect because of 15.Nxe6 Ba3!? (15...Bb4!? that I thought would be winning, thanks to Fritz, leads just to an equal ending after 16.Nxd8! Nxc3 17.Qc4! Nxa2+ 18.Kb1 Nc3+ 19.bxc3 Bxc3 20.Qa2 Rxd8 21.Rxd8+ Kxd8 22.Rd1+ Ke7 23.Qxa5 Bxa5=) 16.Nxd8 Bxb2+ (16...Qxc3? fails to 17.Qb5 Rxd8 18.Rd3 Qc5 19.Qxc5 Bxc5 20.Rhd1 c6 21.c4 Be3+ 22.Kb1+-) 17.Kxb2 Qxc3+ 18.Kb1 and Black can not make more than draw. However a simple retreat) 15.Nb3 Qb6 leaves White with no compensation for pawn.] 14...Rxd1+ 15.Rxd1 Qa6! Now [15...Qb6 16.g5 would yield White a certain play after 16...Nh5 (16...Nd7 17.Qd2 Bd6 18.Ne4©) 17.Nd2!©] 16.Qxa6 bxa6 17.Rd4 Nd7! Not an easy move. Black is ready to give up his 'a' pawns since White's ones on the kingside are vulnerable as well. 18.Ra4 Ne5 19.Nd2 [19.Rxa6 Kb7 20.Ra4 Nxf3 21.Na5+ Kc8 isn't of much chance for White] 19...Kb7µ 20.Kd1 Be7 21.h5?! Playing on Black's hands. [21.Re4 Nc6 22.g5µ would be slightly more tenacious.] 21...g6 22.Re4 Nc6 23.hxg6 hxg6 24.f4 Rh1+? Having reached a winning position I started doing ridiculous things. I rejected [24...Rh4 in view of 25.f5 (25.g5 Bd6–+ , but the endgame resulting after) 25...Rh1+ 26.Re1 Rxe1+ 27.Kxe1 gxf5 (27...Ne5!?–+ is also possible) 28.gxf5 exf5 should be hopeless for White.] 25.Ke2 f5?! Activating Black's and White's pieces at the same time. 26.gxf5 gxf5 27.Rc4 Rh2+ 28.Kd1 e5? Almost losing the advantage. [28...Bd6µ was called for.] 29.Nd5 Rh1+ 30.Ke2 Bh4?! Still [30...Bd6 should have been preferred although after 31.fxe5 Nxe5 (31...Bxe5 32.Nb3„) 32.Rf4 c6 33.Ne3 Rh2+ 34.Rf2 Rxf2+ 35.Kxf2 it's already very difficult to win as one extra pawn is not so sound anymore.] 31.Nb3! Here I realised how wrong I had gone. Still there was a last chance - his time-pressure and I decided to try to use it by playing 31...Bg3!? . At least Black is not risking to lose yet. 32.Nc5+ Kc8 33.Nb3?! The following day Peter stated that the simpliest way to draw would be [33.Nd3 Kd7 34.Nf6+ Kd6 35.Ne8+ Kd7 36.Nf6+=] 33...Rh2+ 34.Kd1?! Falling into a trap although not losing the game so far. [34.Kf3 exf4 35.Nxf4 Bxf4 36.Rxc6 Bd6 would leave Black with a small advantage hardly enough to win.] 34...exf4!! Quite an untipical for an endgame piece sacrifise. Its main background is still opponent's clock although during the game I thought that Black is already almost winning. 35.Rxc6 [35.Nxf4 Ne5–+] 35...f3 36.Rf6? Giving up the rook is no way to save the game. Meanwhile [36.c4! was probably enough for a draw. Black has then a choice between 36...Bd6!! I don't know whether I would find this move over the board but it is the only way to pose White serious practical difficulties. Now a)36...Rh1+ 37.Kc2 f2 38.Nd2 Bd6 39.Ne3 Re1 40.Rxd6 cxd6 41.Nxf5=; b)36...Rxb2 37.Rf6 Rb1+ (during the game I missed that (b)37...f2?? 38.Rxf5 Rb1+ is met by 39.Nc1) 38.Kc2 (b)38.Nc1? Bf4 39.Nxf4 Rxc1+ 40.Kxc1 f2–+) 38...f2 39.Nd2 f1Q 40.Nxf1 Rxf1 41.Rxf5=; 37.Nd2 a)37.c5 leads to a probably lost ending after 37...Rh1+ 38.Kc2 f2 39.Nd2 Kb7 40.cxd6 (a)40.Rxd6 cxd6 41.cxd6 Rh6!–+) 40...Kxc6 41.dxc7 Kd7 42.Ne3 Re1 43.Nxf5 f1Q 44.Nxf1 Rxf1 . Also risky is; b)37.Rxa6 Rh1+ 38.Kc2 f2 39.Nd2 Re1! 40.Kd3 f4! 41.Nc3 Be5! 42.c5 Bxc3 43.Kxc3 Rc1+ 44.Kb3 Rd1 45.Rf6 Rxd2 46.Rxf4³ although I am not sure whether Black can win this. The right way for White is probably; 37...Kb7 (37...Rh1+ 38.Kc2 f2 39.Ne3 Re1 40.Rxd6 cxd6 41.Nxf5 Kd7 42.Ng3=) 38.Rxd6 cxd6 39.Nxf3 Rxb2 and although Black will keep on fighting till the end, it's gonna be draw.] 36...Rh1+ 37.Kd2 f2 38.Rf8+ Kd7 39.Rxf5 f1Q 40.Rxf1 Rxf1 41.Nb4 Bd6!µ A very important move after which White has to turn into a passive defence. 42.Nd3 [42.Nxa6?! Kc6 is lost because the knight will not come back, for example 43.Nb8+ Kd5–+ . However after the text Black's task is not at all easy. The ending is unusual and on the board I couldn't decide whether it was good or bad for me to change the bishop for one of his knights and where I should keep my pawns. I am not sure that my further play was entirely correct. In fact I was kind of moving back and forth searching for the right plan until something became clear.] 42...Rf5 43.Kc3 Rh5 44.Nd2 Kc6 45.Nc4 Rh4 46.Kb3 Kb5 47.Ne3 Is the position after [47.Nxd6+ cxd6 winning? I am not completely sure about that.] 47...Re4 48.Nd5 Rd4 49.Nc3+ Kc6 50.Na4 Kd5 51.Nc3+ Ke6 52.Nd1 c5! 53.Ne3 Re4 54.Nc4 Be7! It took me some time to realise that [54...Kd5? 55.Nxd6 Kxd6 56.c4! might be just draw because Black's king or rook will be stuck defending the c5 pawn and it will be very difficult to make progress. Fortunately at this point I already saw the right setup.] 55.Nf2 Rh4 56.Nd3 Bg5!–+ Die pointe. White has to resign the fortress he's built. 57.Kc3 I had to see that [57.Nxc5+ Kd5 58.Nxa6 Rxc4 59.Nb4+ Kc5 60.Na6+ Kb5 61.a4+ Rxa4 62.Nc7+ Ka5 is winning] 57...Kd5 58.b3 Rh2 A move without a clear idea that suddenly wins the game immediately. 59.b4? Of course, he should play something like [59.Ne1 . The best winning plan seems to me then 59...Rh3+ 60.Nd3 Bf6+ 61.Kd2 Rh2+ 62.Kd1 Bg5 intending to penetrate with the king to c3.] 59...Rh4 White's defence collapses and therefore he resigned. 0–1

[vonnegut]

vonnegut sono strasicuro che è un fenomeno

Sono un fenomeno si ma da baraccone.
Ti assicuro che esistono centinaia di giocatori più forti di me...solo in Italia.

Secondo me, dovreste giocare assieme tu e Stefano. Sarebbero partite equilibrate.

[risikopedia]

Sono un fenomeno si ma da baraccone.
Ti assicuro che esistono centinaia di giocatori più forti di me...solo in Italia.

Secondo me, dovreste giocare assieme tu e Stefano. Sarebbero partite equilibrate.

vabbè dai, non fare il modesto, sei di un altra categoria

in effetti mi incuriosisce veder giocare red

se riesce a tradurre tutte queste informazioni che gli stai passando con cacch.i amari mi sa